But Muslims were enslaving white Europeans into Africa long before the Atlantic route, usually castrating the males. Slaves were crowded in a new environment with new diseases. Dont even get me started on the Moors, Arabs and Ottomans, As for getting rich many African tribes kept slaves and their societies did not get rich. They are stupid false for America. I am not so sure about that although it is another argument. Under English law, damages are assessed as being that amount needed to restore them to the position they would have been, had the event claimed against not occurred. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Olusoga has written stand-alone history books as well as those accompanying his television series. Presumably there were normal times when food was cheap that you fed your workers and didnt seek to replace them in the way Olusoga means. 7 years was the average working lifespan so it is said. I assume he is not very bright and Race Hustling is very lucrative. Oblong, I dont think the traders can be given a pass on this front either., Just means they werent alone in being in the wrong.. Welsh slave-raids into England continued until early Norman times. It may not. In the system that made Sloane wealthy, black women sought out herbs, plant species that he carefully identified and categorised, and used them to induce abortions, determined as many were not to bring into the world children who would be born items of property and destined to live short, brutalised lives. Olusoga poses as an objective historian and says he is not there to bring comfort to people. As he states, The oral history of 20th-century racial violence has never been collected or collated, but it is thereand it is shocking.. Re putting the argument for paedophilia they actually gave Gide the Nobel prize for literature didnt they? What difference has it made? Within the EU the two most common ages of consent are 14 and 15 (if Ive done my counting correctly), though in some but not all cases thats with additional restrictions on permissible age gaps. Its very noticable how nobodys mentioning that the Spanish Empire were doing this for several centuries before the British got involved. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others.. Duke University professor, William Darity Jr, and writer, Kirsten Mullen, jointly published a report for The Roosevelt Institute, an American liberal think tank, laying out a case for slavery reparations. If slavery really mattered theyd be campaigning for reparations from the blacks and arabs/moslems who were doing it long before the white man arrived in Africa and was far more devastating. West Indians fought with the Allies more than a hundred were decorated. (At least in our society) Get over it. Prof David Olusoga has presented numerous documentaries including A House Through Time and Black and Black and British: A Forgotten History, Olaudah Equiano played a role in Britain's abolishment of slavery, Performer Giles Terera has written a play featuring Equiano, Prof Olusoga said when it was published, people did not believe the book was by an African as it was deemed so well written, Bernardine Evaristo (second left) has launched a series called Black Britain: Writing Back which features novels by black British authors that have been overlooked, Should black history be taught all year round? This year, return to Neverland. You know, entirely ignoring lifetime effects? The agreement is being touted as a . Slavery is bad or it isnt. The evidence of this is that seasoned slaves, those exposed to the environment, sold for up to 50% more than new ones. This is nothing to do with slavery or as with black lives matter, blacks being shot, and everything to do with a shakedown of the white man. And they will go looking for parts of the past that aren't on the curriculum, and they evidently do. People seem pretty much agreed on what is right and what is wrong. But werent they lucky compared to the other Germans in Stalingrad? Pope Nicholas V gave his blessing, so long as the Vatican benefited. This is indeed tu quoque. When the American Civil War interrupted the supply of cotton, hundreds of thousands of British workers were made destitute, dependent on soup kitchens, and the British economy was dealt a thunderous blow, all because an ocean away the forced labour of four million enslaved black Americans had been disrupted. Olusoga has benefited from and added significantly to the work of Fryer and other historians such as James Walvin. @ Boganboy Sugar plantations were bad. Very little sugar on the mainland. And he might not find the society withdraws it nearly as comfortable for him to live in. Supported by African authors of slave narratives such as Olaudah Equiano and Ottabah Cugoano, they held meetings all over the country, attracting huge crowds. Ironically, one of the sources we can turn to in order to learn more is his own accounts of late 17th-century Jamaica. One in which enslaved people suffered and even died from malnutrition, as the economics of the slave trade meant that it was cheaper, at times, to starve people and then replace them than it was to provide them with food. It is about the centuries-long engagement with Africa, a consequence of which is the black presence in Britain. Fought to STOP southern independence. Needless to say they should pay us reparations for this too. I think it's an astonishing achievement.". It was the first of the slave narratives that I'd ever read and I found it astonishing.". And yet anti-black race riots broke out in 1948 in Liverpool and in 1958 in Nottingham and Londons Notting Hill. Heroes of 2020 What Marcus Rashford's campaign for hungry children tells us about . Obama had none. "Equiano is the most important voice that we have from the British experience of slavery and the slave trade," he said. How does it benefit anyone to make an issue about particular events? It could not have happened at all unless African traders and kings had offered slaves to the Europeans. She wasnt interested in my academic pursuit. So 10.416 were sold by the Africans every month for one hundred years, There will be no peace on this issue until black people acknowledge their own responsibility for the trade. The Barbados slave code of 1661 stripped Africans of all human rights, and set out ways in which they were to be punished, to exert control over their labour (mutilation of the face, slitting of nostrils, castration, execution). Dont know if I would rule it out entirely because the demographics are different but it might need a change in the voting dynamics. BBC Radio 3 - Drama on 3, The Meaning of Zong, Spacious open-plan family home in Muswell Hill, Five Cineworlds across south London still at risk of permanent closure, Residents who have 'suffered for years' to be asked if they want blocks knocked down, Dazzling Thamesmead light festival returns with performances, films and flash mob, Charlton murderer claims prison guards broke his arm and sues for 20k, Children and young people with eating disorders face treatment postcode lottery, Angry protests erupt over Greek rail disaster, How fake copyright complaints are muzzling journalists, 1894 shipwreck confirms tale of treacherous lifeboat. Prof Olusoga is not the only person who has been drawn to Equiano's story. (and white people was pretty much the British). Pretty much everybody in the West is against slavery. A renowned economist has said that $12 trillion should be afforded to black Americans in reparation for slavery to help the close wealth gap.. Maybe heard of Saint Balthild, seventh-century English lass sold into slavery, exported to the Continent, served in a palace and ended up marrying the Frankish King?). Both of these need proof. December 2020. White people will take it. many African tribes kept slaves. In dealing with the black contribution to the First World War, for example, he cites popular gratitude and admiration for black Britons among them Walter Tull, who fought on the Western Front. But that is not the argument I am making. You can be redeemed, you worthless pasty people. Olusoga is making an appeal to white guilt. Or anything to do with slavery. Nevertheless, we live in a society that generally regards slavery as an absolute and eternal wrong, and a grave one at that, yet which has historically (at least certain people and places, and including the state itself) benefited from imposing slavery on others. But oddly enough, people like Olusoga havent given me the cash yet. If we look back history is just an unending series of atrocities. It is a good deed that must not go unpunished. No? Again, not that these market forces absolve the sellers of a moral responsibility, but there is an argument occasionally deployed that slaves would have been slaves anyway. . I am happy with Olusogo paying reparations to himself. Those who grew rich on slavery and the slave trade were not neutral and no achievement or act of philanthropy justifies airbrushing their involvement from history. You should know better. Sure. He saw how enslaved people who had risen up were burnt to death, castrated or mutilated, punishments he regarded as merited. Peter Pan & Wendy is a live-action reimagining of the J.M . It doesnt end with the parties saying Well that was pleasantly intellectually stimulating, now lets have a nice game of cricket Youre opponents are not playing by the same rules as you are. Olusogas ancestors will have participated in the capture of sale of slaves in Nigeria. And so many hundreds of thousands of British workers were directly dependent on slavery (from sailors to those who built, rigged and repaired ships) that it was easy to turn a blind eye to the inhumanity. But as someone who is damaged by slavery I have lived in racially mixed communities and I am happy to see Obama and Kamala pay up. TV historian David Olusoga claims it is "palpable nonsense" to say that removing controversial statues "somehow impoverishes history". Although the bottom line is that no Black person remembers slavery. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation? When Olusoga recalled the experience before television cameras last year, he wept. I havent said anything about my personal sense of guilt or responsibility. "This is a richer history as well as a necessary history; this is a more vivid history as well as a history that tells the back stories of more people in this country than the traditional narratives we've had.". Some were sold to other African tribes and the rest kept as slaves. In 1860, cotton goods accounted for 40 per cent of all British exports. The race obsessed Department of Education goes to considerable lengths to distinguish Caribbeans and West Africans. Youre right, MBE. Video, 00:02:30. If there were African states with legal continuity to those political entities which established and encouraged the African slave markets, they would be on the hook too, but theres a discontinuity due to colonialism and besides, everyone knows to sue the rich guy not the poor guy. Joining them is Psychologist and Lecturer at Lancaster University, Dr David Tod, for a fascinating conversation about the psychology of acting. I brought up paedophilia to demonstrate that there are things not worth my time. No. The Sokoto Caliphate probably had as many slaves and a lot fewer free men as the Old South. Davids all done. But that ignores how the demand of outsiders led inevitably to far more supply being provided. That involved killing the adult men. Its a replay of the ecology nutters & the trannies. June 16, 2020 - 20:29 BST Aisha Nozari. Would also apply even if down a different family line there had been beneficiaries of the slave trade. "This generation has the greatest knowledge-giving tool ever created and they have access to knowledge that I just did not have when I was younger. The government has said the "flexibility within the history curriculum means that there is the opportunity for teachers to teach about BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) history across a spectrum of themes and eras" so it did "not believe it was necessary to change the curriculum". Thy did not try to grow or raise the next generation. Full text must be online somewhere but theres an extract at https://www.history.co.uk/shows/the-real-vikings/articles/eyewitness-to-the-vikings. Hes welcome to pursue his line of thought but he should bear in mind that tolerance is, by its nature, in the gift of the powerful. A weekly newsletter helping you fit together the pieces of the global economic slowdown. In 1787, they met in London and set up the Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade. "The phenomena of which he is iconic is one that we have written out, edited out of our nation. See, five years ago I wouldnt have written a crass comment like that, but hey, times achanging and as financially independent with some FU-money, I dont have to worry about cancellation culture, LOL. I still find arguing the toss, or watching others doing so, interesting partly because it shows how the viewpoints are divergent, how many arguments are self-interested, what social, cultural and economic forces are at work behind it all. Now sixteen sounds about okay to me if youre going to stick a limit somewhere, but then being British I suppose Im more likely to think the system Im accustomed to is normal and reasonable. Nor do I think that sugar is worse than cotton. But there have been other societies with slavery where slaves had more autonomy and a greater chance of buying their freedom. Exactly, bis. The details of difference are fairly minor. In 1796, a bill was defeated by only four votes: a group of abolitionist MPs went to the opera and missed the vote. David Olusoga is a 49-year-old historian and presenter Credit: Getty - Contributor David Olusoga is a British Nigerian historian, broadcaster and writer. Would, say, Huguenot-descended South Africans suing France over the 1572 St. Bartholomews Day massacre, or Cornish people suing HMG for the suppression of the 1497 Rebellion, deserve compensation?. Olusoga unloads all sorts of characterizations. Tull played professional football for Northampton but instead of signing up for Glasgow Rangers, he enlisted. Olusoga is just getting even because he was attacked by the right when he was a teenager. The Russians do not have these problems because they are not ashamed. But slaves were more valuable, so the British fought the Spanish for a share in the trade and eventually came to dominate it. We are told that an estimated 12.5 million slaves were shipped from Africa to the West Indies and elsewhere in the 18th century. There is no reason to think that slavery was nicer in Africa. Nineteen eighty-four affected him in another way: the publication of Peter Fryers groundbreaking Staying Power: The History of Black People in Britain introduced him to the scholarship needed to understand his position in Britain. Reckon they found commenters guessing which parts of a hypothetical argument were meant all part of the fun, In many respects youre one of the posters here whose views on morality Im closest to our personal moralities probably being quite far apart, but I recognise mine as very much the product of my upbringing and surrounding society and know enough about other places and times to realise just how contingent that makes them. 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